Keep trying. I have failed the bar several time and had decided not to
take the bar at all. But the loans will not allow that. You can look
into jobs that will pay you for the law degree. But don't give up

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From:

Hey,
   I've already been soundly criticized by someone who hadn't even checked the validity of my facts before she libelled me withut justification. Nevertheless, may I suggest that you contact the United Nations about drafting policies with only a JD for $86,000 a year to start? Of course, the employee there with whom I spoke mentioned the distinct possibility that I might have to live at the embassy in Libya for a year, but honestly, could it really be much worse than what George Bush has left us?  
    Say, if you have any words of advice as to which bar prep materials you liked, I'd appreciate hearing from you in return for the afore-mentioned employmwnt tip.
    Best Wishes,

 
      Herbert O. Chadbourne, JD and Gulf War veteran 
       Google search: "Chadbourne: Army Delta Reconnaissance Scout" 
               relative of founder: Law Firm of Chadbourne & Parke, LLP 
     30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York City, NY 10112 / www.Chadbourne.com 
    offices: London, Moscow, Beijing, St Petersburg, LA, Houston, Wash, DC 
   ranked as the 25th lawfirm in the US two years ago by the NY Law Journal

   
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--- On Mon, 4/13/09,

Lawyers need thick skin. Get over it.

Very hard question to answer, considering we don't know you or your situation. I think you need to ask yourself what you'd be INTERESTED in doing if you fail again. Do you want to take the exam again? Do you think it's worth it for you? Do you want to know if there are other job options available for you? I answered these questions for myself with help from non one, because no one knows me or what's best for me more than I do.

I can tell you this much--even if the economy were great right now, it's very hard for people with law degrees but no experience practicing law to go out and find something outside the legal profession. Reactions to you will range from you're "overqualified" to "this person is crazy" or "throwing their degree away" to "you're going to eventually leave us for some high-paying legal job." There are just so many obstacles for recent graduates. Ever wonder why a lot of people who leave the law or never practiced are often something like a business owner or an author, things that technically don't require others to employ them? Still, if you're interested in just chucking the profession, maybe think about teaching law-related classes or searching out jobs that value a law degree (many govt jobs seem to). Or start your own business, like I mentioned. Personally, I think a lot of us could get together and start a business since there's not much else for us to do. Also, your college degree could be of some help, depending on what you studied (mine is useless, but degrees like accounting, economics, finance are not).

Also, is there anything else you've ever wanted to do with your life? I'm pursuing another career path right now by taking some classes and coming up with a resume tailored to that field. I was not interested in going into more debt or spending years in school, so I found the cheapest school I could and am picking/choosing helpful classes that, according to my research, can help me get on my way by the end of the year. I've got my school loans deferred or on forbearance, and my family is helping me pay for the few classes I'm taking now. Is anything like this an option for and/or appealing to you?

Personally, I feel if someone fails the bar several times, there comes a time when they need to seriously consider letting it go. It's not about whether or not they can pass; it's about time, money and weighing how much is to gain by passing vs everything you have to do to pass. Nowadays, like others have said on this board before, passing doesn't mean squat--you can still end up spending a year or more unemployed, looking for an attorney position. In my mind, there comes a point when passing simply isn't worth the effort, the attempts, the sacrifices, etc...again, this is something you need to ask yourself.

Good luck.

Chadbourne you are a moron if you think living in Libya is even remotely close to living in the US that "George Bush left us."...unless you can verify that people are getting gunned down by AK-47s in your front yard and car bombs are a daily occurrence....I wish I could cash in on all those promises people made shortly before Bush beat Kerry in 2004-- "If Bush wins, I'll move to Canada"....Dude, move to Canada...nobody cares about you.....I apologize for bootlegging this thread, the guy is actually legitimately seeking advice- and you're not giving it with your BS about jobs with the UN....OP, I recommend that you try again- more people pass the July bar, then the Feb. bar...if you still feel overwhelmed from studying for Feb.- and only if its an option for you- wait out the July bar and take the Feb. 2010- give your brain some time to rest...but don't throw in the towel- you'll be okay.

Addendum to previous email....
      Look "HaHa" , I can sincerely empathisize. May God bless your clearly assinine, naive and continuingly blind support of George Bush. Perhaps you could apply for an accomodation on the bar exam regarding a mental defiiciency. No, really! The mere fact that you're criticizing me for a good faith suggestion to another job seeker [ie, you're an eavesdropper and are thus an unwanted third party without legal or moral standing] when you haven't even bothered to either verify or deny my facts, tells me that you're an idiot!  Did you get your JD from Wal-Mart? Was it on sale?
      Look, I've never taken the Bar exam and I've certainly never flunked it, so until you can make a valid, constructive criticism after you've either confirmed or denied my facts, please simply "Shut the Fuck Up".  
     

 
      Herbert O. Chadbourne, JD and Gulf War veteran 
       Google search: "Chadbourne: Army Delta Reconnaissance Scout" 
               relative of founder: Law Firm of Chadbourne & Parke, LLP 
     30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York City, NY 10112 / www.Chadbourne.com 
    offices: London, Moscow, Beijing, St Petersburg, LA, Houston, Wash, DC 
   ranked as the 25th lawfirm in the US two years ago by the NY Law Journal

   
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--- On Tue, 4/14/09,

What are you going to do if you fail the bar exam?

TAKE IT AGAIN. no big deal. work at as a food server to pay bills, defer loan payments, spend only on necessities.

you have to try again. don't give up; study smarter. you'll be fine

If your debt load is manageable, try again. but if your debt is out-of-control, you may want to cut your losses and seek another career. Being a lawyer is not (usually) glamorous or fun. Many lawyers are jerks (for whatever reason: stress, born that way, treated like ass at work, etc) and so it is not the best profession. Furthermore, most lawyers earn between $40,000 and $100,000, so you probably will never get rich doing it, though depending on the cost of living in your area, you can be comfortable.

Good luck, whether you pass or not.