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Sub: Evidence Question
Author: batata [140] Send Private Message
27 Jun 2009 02:41 AM
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A.

overruled, because there is sufficient evidence to find that the bag was the one Dickinson dropped.

 

B.

overruled, because the objection should have been made on the basis of incomplete chain of custody.

 

C.

sustained, because Dickinson did not have possession of the bag at the time he was arrested.

 

D.

sustained, unless the judge makes a finding by a preponderance of the evidence that the bag was the one dropped by Dickinson.

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Author: ItsAllJava [18] Send Private Message
27 Jun 2009 04:34 AM
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I want to go w B bc it sounds like a chain prob. But I'll go w A one. I'd give an explanation but my brain is about to explode.....

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Author: giveatry [21237]
27 Jun 2009 02:41 PM
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I go with B as it was incomplete chain of custody and in theory, someone else could have dropped a bag of dope at the corner while everyone else was involved in the chase. D is my next answer except that I don't think "preponderance of the evidence" is the standard here

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Author: belandrei [300] Send Private Message
27 Jun 2009 03:18 PM
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A: whether the bag was the one Dickinson dropped is about whether jury can believe that it could be his bag, goes to the weight of E, admissible

B: is incorrect b/c E (real evidence) needs to be authenticated first. If cops can not establish complete chain of custody, it is inadmissible evidence, b/c it is admissibility was conditioned on being able to get authenticated. Judge looks and if there is significant ands serious breaks in custody, jury should not even hear about the evidence, (but minor breaks would not be enough). Not sure if there is a problem with custody,

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Author: meandme [21237]
27 Jun 2009 05:16 PM
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C

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Author: seabee [17] Send Private Message
27 Jun 2009 07:08 PM
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Prosecution established that, when approached by police, D dropped a plastic bag and ran.  This ("established") means pros has W testimony (suburban street?) proving that much (even if police didn't see a baggy and just approached - then chased).    This (suspicious action by D - running scared) coupled with police finding a bag (w/drugs-minutes later) in the exact spot they began the chase  = enough circumstantial evidence to prove possession BARD.

A.

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Author: Jeff [21237]
28 Jun 2009 01:37 AM
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I choose B as my first choice, but won't be surprised at A. I don't think the other two are possible answers. Each element must be "beyond a reasonable doubt", so the preponderance of evidence is definitely not correct.

And the answer is.... ????

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Author: NB [9] Send Private Message
29 Jun 2009 02:10 AM
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D,.. I feel is the correct answer as that choice with 'unless' covers the gap between dropping of the bag by Dick and Police finding it (JUDGE'S FINDING by-preponderence of evidence)... Choice A to me does not seem correct because the facts in the main hypo by itself does not indicate sufficient evidence to establish that bag was Dick's.

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Author: belandrei [300] Send Private Message
29 Jun 2009 02:49 AM
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Author: belandrei [300] Send Private Message
29 Jun 2009 03:07 AM
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Posted By belandrei on 29 Jun 2009 02:49 AM
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Jeff, actually it is not BRD standard, b/c it is not for conviction, but for purposes of admission of evidence. Standard for Judge is a lot lower, preponderance, his job is to find that there is >50 % chance that it was d's bag. If it is admissible jury can look and decide it the element of crime is proved BRD to convict.

 It is the question of conditional relevance, -prosecution needs to  lay down foundations to authenticate the E, i.e. to link it to Def. if it is >50%  chance it could be linked to the D, Judge should allow it for jury to decide on weight. That what happened on OJ trial (first one) they got blood samples all over place but cops screwed up with handling, chain of custody problem.

In this d's trial, there is gap b/w time it is picked up and conclusion it was coke, gap in time (check it says "later was found to be coke" not on the spot by coke licking cop) lab tech comes and testifies; yes. there was drug in the bag ###, but how do we know that it the same bag picked up by cops? Cops picked it up put in car, brought to station, left on table for 20 min with other evidence, other cop took the bag or some other bag? to the lab, nobody was at the lab, tech was on lunch, cop logged it in a wrong journal, wrong date. Analyzer broke in the lab, had to send it to dif lab, 2-3 more people involved,  they all need to testify re handling and how they traced and logged that particular bag, otherwise it irrelevant, mislabeled evidence.





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Author: NB [9] Send Private Message
29 Jun 2009 03:32 AM
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Belandrei... so which is your choice now... you indicated choice b.. but according to me 'Judge's finding' in choice d covers 'Authentication' issue as well.. that is why according to me 'd' is the correct choice

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Author: batata [140] Send Private Message
30 Jun 2009 03:32 AM
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The correct answer is A. The requirement of authentication or identification as a condition precedent to admissibility is satisfied by evidence sufficient to support a finding that the matter in question is what its proponent claims. By establishing that Dickinson dropped a plastic bag, and that, after only a few minutes, the police officers returned to the same spot and found a plastic bag, the prosecution has introduced sufficient evidence for a finding that the bag was the one Dickinson dropped. The objection should be overruled. Answer B is incorrect because the bag is admissible and an objection on the basis of incomplete chain of custody would be overruled. Answer C is incorrect because, although Dickinson did not have possession of the bag at the time he was caught, the police identified him with the bag just prior to his fleeing. There is sufficient evidence to link the bag to Dickinson and to provide sufficient identification and authenticity. Answer D is incorrect because the judge does not have to make a finding by the preponderance of the evidence that the bag was the one dropped by Dickinson, the judge must only find that there was sufficient evidence to support a finding that the plastic bag in question was the one Dickinson was holding.
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