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Sub: Problems with studying
Author: Mizzy [175] Send Private Message
30 Jun 2009 03:16 PM
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Mizzy

The more practice problems I do, the worse my results get. I was getting in the 77s, but now I'm down to low 50-60s. It's quite discouraging, and I don't know how to get out of the pitfall of giving up altogether. Any suggestions?

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Author: @ cents [21315]
30 Jun 2009 04:24 PM
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@ cents

Take a day off. Maybe you have reached the "wall."

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Author: Mizzy [175] Send Private Message
30 Jun 2009 08:57 PM
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Mizzy

Care to explain "the wall", for my amusement?

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Author: Jus [21315]
30 Jun 2009 10:15 PM
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Jus

Allow me to explain since I have a great amount of experience with this phenomenon.

Hitting the wall is a term used to denote a person's momentum has stopped, or their energy to keep going just isnt there. Marathan runners often hit the wall somewhere in the middle of their race. But people in all ventures can hit the wall meaning that their drive and commitment to keep going is in question.

I have hit about 7 walls during my bar prep. You just have to keep pushing.

Good luck.

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Author: NN [21315]
01 Jul 2009 12:15 AM
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NN

I agree with the other poster. Give yourself a break, I speak from experience too and I was astounded at how much better I did when I found myself getting horrible scores and then gave myself a day off. You will surprise yourself.
Good luck!

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Author: jimmy [21315]
01 Jul 2009 12:17 AM
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jimmy

There are many reasons that you are doing worse.

1) Are the problems are tougher... Some study programs... like BarBri... increase the toughness

2) Your are begining to overthink and second guess yourself.

3) You are trying to remember the answer to a similar problem instead of remembering the rule.

4) You are confusing rules from different subject areas.

5) You are skipping meaningful review...

I find that this is a big problem for many test-takers. Some test takers skip review and just count right and wrong answers. They don't take the time to understand why they got a problem wrong... and even more important... they don't take the time to understand why they got a problem right.

Go back. Review your hypos and answers. Don't just bubble in the answer... write the answer just like you would in a test. Try to put it into these categories...

Is it a problem with rule... can you remember it?

Is it a problem with the application of the rule... do you understand the rule?

Is it a problem with the hypo.. did you zero in on the element that triggered the rule?

Is it a problem with the answer stem... did they just plain trick you?

Good luck

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Author: Mizzy [175] Send Private Message
02 Jul 2009 02:45 PM
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Mizzy

Took a break like people suggested, and still no progress, even after multiple readings of my notes. Looks like I'll be a third-time taker of the bar, because I'm obviously not passing this time. =(

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Author: Hmslf [21315]
02 Jul 2009 02:54 PM
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Hmslf

You just gave up?! That's even worse than failing...sorry

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Author: Jus [21315]
02 Jul 2009 03:27 PM
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Jus


Posted By Mizzy on 02 Jul 2009 02:45 PM
Took a break like people suggested, and still no progress, even after multiple readings of my notes. Looks like I'll be a third-time taker of the bar, because I'm obviously not passing this time. =(



Stay Positive Mizz.

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Author: Meandme [21315]
02 Jul 2009 04:03 PM
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Meandme

Dont't be pessimistic Mizzy, you can do it. Arguably, better scores may be indicative of better preparedness, however getting the quetions wrong BEFORE the exam and REVIEWING the right answers would undoubtedly help for even better preparedness.

:-)

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Author: passed 02/09 [21315]
02 Jul 2009 04:26 PM
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passed 02/09

I hit a big time wall one month in to the barbri program. Self-Study with the IPOD and I HATED sitting there for 3-4 hours at a time and was angry and frustrated with the entire program.

Adding to that the last two weeks is a memory dump, you will feel like you forgot EVERYTHING! My MBE scores were down big time up until I took the test. I was borderline to the number needed.

Relax, put in the work and you will pass. 02/09 was my first exam and I felt like I COMPLETELY failed. YOU WILL PASS. Do the work, make your notecards and make sure you have the time. Go into your hotel room with total confidence and try to have a little fun.

Oh and read my post about how not to act on exam day!

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Author: Rodi [1] Send Private Message
02 Jul 2009 04:47 PM
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Rodi

You say you are hitting the low 50s and 60s.  I passed the bar last February.  My scaled MBE was 147.6 or something to that effect.

I did about 3500 practice questions.  On the 2000 or so barbri questions (which most people here seem to think are the "easy" ones) I think I averaged about 55%, maybe a 60%.  I can remember 1 practice session of 100 questions where I think I got like 79% right. 

It really amazes me how all these sweet people get on here saying "I'm getting 75-80% on my MBE practice....." yet a vast majority of these posters are taking the bar for the 2nd, 3rd or more time.  I guess they are just horrid essay writers?  My guess is that they are either lying, not taking the practice under actual test conditions, or maybe they just tank the actual exam.  There are probably a lot of other explanations as well.  Don't let these people get to you.  So you're only getting 50-60%.  Who gives a shit?  If guys "allegedly" getting 80% in practice consistently are failing the exam then why should the number of practice problems you get right even matter?

I read this forum a lot waiting until the results came out and I let the same BS creep into my head as well.  I see a lot of good advice on here but at the same time, it seems like all the "experts" chiming in are guys who have failed multiple times.  Not that this makes their advise any less helpful, but I wouldn't let it effect how you go about studying.

For what it's worth, and since it actually seems to differ significantly from what a majority of posters are offering, I'll lay out a brief outline of my study schedule below.  Also, for what its worth, I took the Texas Bar.  I'm sure there will be those chiming in that says NY/CA are much more difficult, and they are probably right, but there seems to be a general consenus that Texas is at least in the top 5 with regard to difficulty (i'd say NY, CA, FLA, TX, ???, not in that order necessarily)

1. I went to BarBri every day and filled out the notebook.

2. Like I said, I did about 3500 MBE questions.  I wanted to do 4K (yes I bought into the hype too; "do 2000 questions yadayadayada" so I was going to take it a step further and do 4000.  For me I think 3500 was a good number.  I'd usually try to do about 100 per day.  Some days more, some days less, some days none at all.  I'd do the questions in sets of like 35 in an hour, under timed conditions every time.  I'd only REVIEW THE ONES I MISSED; never reviewed ones I got right unless I just felt like it.  My reasoning for this was simple; i figured if I got something right, no sense in wasting time reviewing something I already knew, and if I got it right for the wrong reason, at some point I would get a similar question and miss it, hence reviewing it anyway and correcting the mistake.

2. For the essays I did about 100 essays total. All I did was do practice essays under actual test time/conditions.  I typed out full answers to every essay on my laptop using exam soft's practice test format.  My thing is that if you practice under actual conditions then once you get to the test there will be no surprise.  Then I'd check my answers with the yellow book and either be happy or sad.

3. I did 2 practice PTs.

4. I did about 25 procedure and evidence practice tests and reviewed answers.

4. As far as how my days would go, it was pretty much like this.  My bar bri was at Baylor which was about an hour away.  I'd get up around 8, drive over there, and start MBEs once i got in the library.  Then I'd take a short break and get some food.  They had a pretty solid cafeteria.  Then I'd go maybe do an essay or 2, and by this point it would be time for BarBri (they have them in the afternoon and evening only for some reason).  I'd go to BarBri, then go down to my car and change into shorts, etc, and go run (I run 10 miles a day for exercise).  Running around the baylor campus was fun; the bear trail.  After this I'd go over to gold's gym and shower.  Then I'd go walk around the circuit city there in waco looking for bargains.  Was nice to just fuck around for awhile.  After that I'd go back to the library and do more essays, or mbes or whatever until about 11pm or so.  Then I'd go home and do it again. 

This was pretty much my routine every day during bar bri.  I worked hard, but I'd also fuck around a lot and just think about things.  I only did ever find one "deal" at the circuit city; the dock for my lap top that I used during the exam.  I'd also walk around the mall a lot in Temple (that's where I was staying); I remember quiting early one night to go watch the premier of Friday the 13th.

The point im getting at is this.  More than likely, if you put in the work (and I mean honestly put in the work; not just tell yourself you worked hard) then you will likely pass.  It blew my mind how most of the baylor grads I'd see studying probably only actually studied for around 10 days before the exam due to being in school longer on the quarter system.  I'd think to myself "how can they pass?" I looked at the results and all but 1 passed.  Either they are just that brilliant (probably so) or rather they worked hard.

Don't by into the hype.  Don't by into all this "advice" from repeaters or first time passers.  Don't be scared.  If you can look in the mirror at the end of the process and say you gave it a solid effort, then how upset can you be?


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Author: Free advice [21315]
03 Jul 2009 01:17 AM
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Free advice

how can you know what your scaled MBE score is if you passed?

Check out baradvisor.blogspot.com. I have found the site helpful in my studies.

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Author: Me [21315]
03 Jul 2009 02:02 AM
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Me

????
Just another one.

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Author: Mizzy [175] Send Private Message
03 Jul 2009 09:55 AM
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Mizzy

Thanks so much for all the positive feedback. I honestly had everything down pat in the Feb exam, knew laws like the backs of my hands and was confident in my essay topics. My main problem is that I second-guessed in my MBE instead of just looking at the question and applying the right law. Feeling THAT prepared before the exam and still failing, it left me feeling a bit hopeless as to what I could actually do differently.
But your encouragement has given me some new insight as to what I can do. I'm going to do a retake on making some flashcards so my husband can help me study, and do a recording of my notes into mp3 format so I can get the law down pat in my head.
Thanks to all of you on renewed encouragement. I should not be my worst enemy; the test writers should be! ;D

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Author: tksjustice [9] Send Private Message
03 Jul 2009 10:24 AM
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tksjustice

Atta Girl Mizzy.  Stay strong and good luck!!!

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Author: Rodi [21315]
03 Jul 2009 04:32 PM
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Rodi

What do you know. Another idiot who is on the boards causing drama. "How do you know what your scaled score is if you passed" Another uninformed idiot who has probably failed a few times.

In Texas, when you get your later telling you that you passed, it tells you your overall score, and your scaled MBE score (They don't tell you how you did on the essays, PT, or Civ/Crim pro).

Instead of calling me out and sounding like an idiot in the process by suggesting that I didn't pass because I knew my scaled MBE, why don't you work on passing or just answer the post without the added jab.

Post more, please.

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Author: stylin4sur [21315]
03 Jul 2009 09:52 PM
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stylin4sur

Just keep going. I think this is a common problem. I was studying criminal law so much, it actually got worse, I went on to property and my scores were better, maybe switch subjects and then come back to the one you are having trouble with tomorrow. Don't give up.

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Author: valleygirl [23] Send Private Message
04 Jul 2009 02:50 AM
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valleygirl

just hang in there! take a mental health break! it will get better!

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