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Fell short by 10-15 odd marks - failed the bar on nth try
Last Post 11/03/2011 10:02 PM by BarAddict
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11/02/2011 12:35 AM
Author: BarAddict [21813]
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Hi- I have taken the NY bar atleast 7 times. Initially I was not serious about it and so I didnt give it all in my first try.

Later I got obsessed with passing it. I got a score of 553 in february 2011 exam ( I had studied v v hard and gave it all)- Due to the failure I got very depressed, filled the application again but was not sure I want to go through this torture. One day before the July exam, I decided to atleast go sit for it even though I did not prepare at all for the July exam. I got a 530.

I am sick? I should quit right?? please give your feedback. I really want to hear what people have to say about this repeated failure on the NY bar?

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11/02/2011 1:33 AM
Author: Honthebar [21813]
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Without being glib, yeah, at this stage, give up the ghost. It seems to be doing you nothing but harm, and you're obviously not cut out for a career in law.

I could say something nice and tell you to keep going, but 7 times? You're only doing yourself damage.

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11/02/2011 2:11 AM
Author: Montrealer [52]
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If you really want to DON'T give up...however, you seem to be doing something wrong i.e repeating the same mistakes. 

Practice as many MBE questions as you can, correct yourself, and see why you get answers wrong and understand those mistakes. 

Practice on essays, see the past exams (on the BOLE website) and correct your self. 

Do you get nervous during the exam? Do you have a hard time concentrating while studying? Maybe go see a doctor who can prescribe some pills that may help with all that. 

If NY is too hard why don't you go for MA? or another easier state?

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11/02/2011 2:17 AM
Author: depends [21813]
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Have you had your past exams analyzed to find out where you can improve? You seem like a hard worker but diligence is not enough for the bar exam. Instead you should focus on more targeted studying.

I imagine that the essays are what are giving you the most trouble (repeaters tend to have significant difficulties with this part). If you have not gotten any assistance with your essay approach then this will likely help you to be successful.

Overall the decision to retake the exam largely depends on if you have tried focusing on your weaker areas, and if you have the financial stability to get the type of assistance necessary. Assuming you have the psychological resolve and the right resources I would suggest you give it another go.

Best of luck.

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11/02/2011 2:28 AM
Author: ny [21813]
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Do you NEED to pass the NY bar exam? The reason I ask is because there are nearby states that are reputed to be less challenging like NJ, CT, and MA which would allow you to have you license and be able to begin your practice. Moreover, being licensed will allow you to apply to NY through the reciprocity rules in the future if you choose.

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11/02/2011 3:50 AM
Author: BarAddict [21813]
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Sorry the above scores were 653 and 630 respectively and not 553 and 530.

my Mbe was 124.1 and written average 44.3 this time. In february my MBE was 118 and written average 48 or something..

I dont get nervous during the exam and i dont have any anxiety problem. Infact noone would believe that I had not studied even for a day during the July exam and took the exam so calmly.

I am not able to go beyond this score for MBE and yes my essays- some get a 5-6 but few always get a 4... my MPT always gets a 3.5, 4....

Thank you for responding guys

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11/02/2011 4:45 AM
Author: Montrealer [52]
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Posted By on 02 Nov 2011 03:50 AM
Sorry the above scores were 653 and 630 respectively and not 553 and 530.

my Mbe was 124.1 and written average 44.3 this time. In february my MBE was 118 and written average 48 or something..

I dont get nervous during the exam and i dont have any anxiety problem. Infact noone would believe that I had not studied even for a day during the July exam and took the exam so calmly.

I am not able to go beyond this score for MBE and yes my essays- some get a 5-6 but few always get a 4... my MPT always gets a 3.5, 4....

Thank you for responding guys

here's your problem......most people study before the exam!

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11/02/2011 4:55 AM
Author: BarAddict [21813]
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No my problem is not that I did not study for July and got a 630. My problem is that before that attempt I repeatedly studied v v hard and missed it by a v close margin. I was too tired, exhausted and frustrated to study for the July 2011 exam and I quoted it as an example, that even when i did not study, I got a 630...


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11/02/2011 5:24 AM
Author: DON'T GIVE UP [21813]
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OMG, i PASSED NY after failing the following administrations :

FEB 2008 (MBE 142)

JULY 2008 (MBE 138)

FEB 2009 (MBE 140)

FEB 2010 (MBE 139)

JULY 2010 (MBE 142)

FEB 2011 (MBE 136)

JULY 2011 (MBE 145)

Did i give up.... ? No, somebody on this site encouraged me after she herself failed 6 times and gave me her email and we were in touch. Give me yours and we can be in touch. But my honest advise is NOT to take Feb 2012. It is easier to pass July than Feb. With my Feb result 2011 results, i would have passed ANY JULY EXAM as i had a score of 654.

Now i have to pinch myself to certain that i really PASSED THE NY BAR AFTER 7 ATTEMPTS (omg)


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11/02/2011 6:57 AM
Author: amalia [21813]
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I am in the same boat. I failed Feb 2005, 2006 and 2010 and now july 2010. My problem is that i can't seem to take consecutive tests. I have 2 young children and no one to stay with them while i study so I juggle as much as I can. My latest score was 646 because of a low MBE. My written average was 47.54. Any suggestions?

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11/02/2011 7:27 AM
Author: AnyoneButPerry [21813]
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You still have to study, regardless of past frustrations. I passed it my first try but I honestly don't remember half the stuff I learned in July. You can't tell me you remembered so much that you just went to the exam on exam day having done no prep. Maybe you are a relaxed person, but being TOO relaxed is as bad- if not worse- than being stress. A little stress goes a long way. We have a President (no offense to his fans) who is so laid back that he doesn't care this country goes to sh-t. You need SOME stress in your life to kick you in the butt, no offense. Look at your weaknesses and strategize. Have you ever done an analysis of your weakness, especially by subject area? Joe Seperac, at www.seperac.com will do that for you. But simply redoing the exam without focusing on your weak points is literally the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

This is my cold, hard advice:

1. Seriously consider practicing in another state. Do you need to practice in NY? You obviously have not practiced there and at this point a relatively "easier" state like NJ, Mass. might be better. This is not an insult. But at some point you have to give up your dreams and go with what is realistic. I believe you can waive into NY from DC.
2. Look at what you are doing wrong. Even if you say you don't have time management issues, you clearly have problem spotting issues. You don't spot the problems in your preparation strategy and knowledge base. Once you figure out what subject areas you are wek on, focus on that by doing tons of questions (Barbri, Pieper or released questions). Yes, even do previous exams you, yourself have taken, but read the answers with analyses, if available. You are consistently in the 1209 range on the MBE- that's not good enough. You must be at 135+ to have a good shot. That's not impossible to do, you are 10-15 away from it.
3. Your essays are OK but see if you can improve them as well. But right now your focus should be on upping the MBE 10-15 points minimum. Look at the subject areas and see what your weaknesses are.

Again, re-taking the exam WITHOUT HAVING FOCUSED ON YOUR WEAK POINTS IS A SURE WAY TO FAIL AGAIN! Also, study, don't take the exam cold. No one takes exams cold. That's suicidal. If you don't wish to do all this again, there is no shame in walking away from this. I mean this sincerely.

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11/02/2011 8:45 AM
Author: NYTaker [21813]
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I passed NY bar on my 2nd try on February 2011 with MBE score 146.5. 1st time my MBE was around 123.1. I increased my score by handwriting MBE outlines. I was amazed to see how many tricky issues I was able to see after writing down simple outline. When you handwrite 1 MBE subject, start doing questions and write down the questions you got wrong with very brief fact pattern and explanation. Also, for MPT and essays, before doing any, just read samples.
Good luck.

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11/02/2011 8:49 AM
Author: Vasco [21813]
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To The Poster Above Who Failed All Those Times:

I need some encouragement. I'm about to turn in the towel.

Please email me at portugal_us04@yahoo.com

Spammers will be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law, so please be a bar taker and don't try to sell me anything. Thanks.

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11/02/2011 11:31 AM
Author: Montrealer [52]
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Posted By on 02 Nov 2011 05:24 AM
OMG, i PASSED NY after failing the following administrations :

FEB 2008 (MBE 142)

JULY 2008 (MBE 138)

FEB 2009 (MBE 140)

FEB 2010 (MBE 139)

JULY 2010 (MBE 142)

FEB 2011 (MBE 136)

JULY 2011 (MBE 145)

Did i give up.... ? No, somebody on this site encouraged me after she herself failed 6 times and gave me her email and we were in touch. Give me yours and we can be in touch. But my honest advise is NOT to take Feb 2012. It is easier to pass July than Feb. With my Feb result 2011 results, i would have passed ANY JULY EXAM as i had a score of 654.

Now i have to pinch myself to certain that i really PASSED THE NY BAR AFTER 7 ATTEMPTS (omg)


There are pretty good MBE scores, I passed first time with 142 scaled, did you really do bad at the essays?

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11/02/2011 12:42 PM
Author: Creeper [21813]
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DON'T email portugal_us04@yahoo.com. He claims to have taken several different jurisdictions' bar exams. He seems to have a desperate need to connect, which is actually quite creepy.

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11/02/2011 2:30 PM
Author: victor [21813]
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i took the bar more times than you baraddict on finally passed. you have to realize that passing this test is really more about faith in your ability to apply the knowledge & skills in order to pass - you have to believe in yourself in order to pass. People underestimate the morale component of passing, bu in reality passing this test is far more about your psychology than the number of rules you've memorized or how much you have practiced applying them.

People might argue that the having the most positive mindset in the world will not help you pass if you havent studied enough. Yes, of course, you do need a minimum level of competency to pass, sure. However, i would guarantee you that if you dont make a conscious choice to believe that you can pass, you will continue to fail no matter how much you study. However, I believe that once you "release" your faith that it is possible for you to pass, then you will.

I would take the power of that belief further - I believe that once I began to believe that it was actually possible for me to pass, I subconsciously began to study more efficiently and effectively and made better judgments, both while studying and in the test itself. My belief that I could finally pass after failing so many times became so powerful, without me even realizing it, that it became a self-fulfilling prophesy.

I guarantee you that even if you consciously think you can pass now, you unconsciously doubt that, and so you are, at least on the subconscious level, sabotaging yourself. There are two things you need to do now to pass in the future:

1) DECIDE to pass: Write out your intention to pass. Write down why you want to pass the NY bar, & why you deserve to. Decide that you will pass no matter how many tries it takes, but decide to believe that you can absolutely pass on the next try, and that you are open to that possibility. Expect to pass now, and then "let go" of that intention, by not thinking about whether you will pass or not the next time you take it, because you know you CAN pass now & will pass when the time is right, because your will & intention has made your passing an inevitability.

2) ACT on your decision to pass: Forget about your past attempts, with the exception of study techniques and materials that were particularly useful & helpful. Take what was useful from your past experiences and then move on, focusing on what you need to do now to pass in he present moment. Dont worry about what other people do, but focus on what works for you. I never could do hundreds of MBEs like other people - i got bored and overwhelmed and could forced myself to get through them. On my last attempt when I passed, i decided to do just one MBE and review the test thoroughly, & it was really helpful this time (quality over quantity - Emanuel's Strategies and Tactics is very helpful). I never could learn standard bar exam outlines (BARBRI, etc), which I find are skeletal and incomplete in some places and way too long and overwhelming in others. So, I found really good "mini outlines" and studied off those but added some info where I needed it.

3) BUILD your faith in yourself: you need to change your image of yourself from a muliple taker and "failer" to a succesful passer. Affirmations are a powerful way to challenge and improve your self-image. You need success to build on - look for success in your studying - you mastering the concepts of each subject and getting practice questions right and focus on your successes. Do not dwell on negative feedback - i used to torture myself because no matter what I did, i would always get mediocre or poor scores on my practice essays. Then the last time before i passed, i started interning for an attorney who complimented my legal writing and analysis, and that built up my faith in myself alot. I realized that the "feedback" i was getting from tutors was unfair and unrealistic for test conditions, and i the next time, when i passed, i just focused on budgeting my time on the essays really well and making sure i wrote a sufficient answer in the "Under-Here-Therefore" style for each essay (this is a great, easy to use format i learned from Mary Gallagher's essay course). I had enough faith to write a short, complete answers for each part of each essay, instead of running out of time on some essays because I overdid it on others.

You can and will pass this test, whether you ever want to practice law in NY or not. You just have to make the decision and everything else will, one way or another, fall into place. Dont worry so much about the "how", just focus on the end result you want.

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11/03/2011 10:02 PM
Author: BarAddict [21813]
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Thank you all you wondeful people who have been so encouraging.

'Victor', 'Anyonebutpeep'- thanks a lot for your very helpful feedback.


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